What do think is the hardest gag you had do for Halloween H2O?
Ill tell you what, the balcony fall. In the sense of high falls and
stuff, it was tight, because it was a tight kind of a door way, with an actual railing
that I had to clear, so I had to keep from bumping my head, keep from hitting the sides,
and twist myself out and I had to get over the railing and I had to do it all with limited
Because you were wearing the mask, and you have to actually land on the mat.
Yeah, without getting overly inverted. I pretty much got upside down but I held it
and went in how I wanted, so I ended up nicely, but that was tough. The van was also very
tough, coming through the windshield.
I was going to ask about that, because I noticed that it was done in three cuts. It
wasnt all one take.
Oh, it definetly was, we just had a lot of cameras on it. That was tough because
hitting that mark, coming in and sliding to a stop and spitting me through the windshield.
What we did was the simplest down and dirty way. We came at it about 40mph and hit the
breaks on the mark.
Did you use an air ramp or a trampoline or anything? Or did you just go running
We used the speed of the car. We built a little platform inside to keep me clear of
the dash board. I basically laid on the platform and aimed myself and we drove in about
40mph and hit the breaks on the mark. I kept going.
Were you hired for the stunts? Were they looking for a stunt man?
From what I understand, they were looking for just actors and decided they
didnt like anybody. They used stunt guys before, so they decided to look at some of
us and I ended up getting it and the whole deal.
I noticed on the first one when he ripped the mask off, he suddenly got smaller.
In the first one I think there were three different guys. Like on "Scream
2" and we had nine different people doing stuff. That was to throw you off, I think.
What did you do in "Scream 2"?
In "Scream 2" I was the guy for one scene. It was when I through the girl
off the balcony, that was a definite stunt piece. That was just a day.
Did I read somewhere correctly, that you never saw any of the Halloween movies?
That is correct. It is still correct. I didnt want to second guess myself of
those things. The first one, I said I might go see it, but we talked about how we want to
do things and well see how it goes when we film. And what basically happened was
that it went pretty well. They were trying to match the closet scene in the very
begining were shes dreaming. So I saw a snippet. I didnt want to look at
this whole thing and try to mimic the whole deal. I was perfectly willing to go look
at it, if we were off the mark in some way, but nobody ever complained.
It seemed to me that you might have watched them all, because gate and the type of
attitude. I dont know
The way you walked and the way you held his knife.
We talked about all that. The one thing one thing that we tried to specifically
match was the little head tilt bit. I was told about that, so we did it.
Now were you disappointed at all that the mask was never ripped off.
No, See I have two different jobs basically, if Im doing an acting part, I
have to do the part and do everything normally. When Im doing the stunt part, I have
to remember half the time, if Im doubling someone, you have to hide your face.
Thats part of the job, not being recognized, and trying to match the guy
I was just curious, I dont want to give away the ending or anything, but at
the end when there was that moment between you and Jaime Lee Curtis(who, by the way,
kicked ass in this movie), I was just expecting the Darth Vader type thing, I wanted to
see your face and the expression. Have her bond with her little brother.
I think that was kind of the idea to get you to that point, and then she kind of
Right, I was just expecting to have the face ripped off and I just thought it would
sell it more as the softer side, before she takes the head off. You say you werent
disappointed at all by that. There was never any talk of that?
There had been talk of things going back and forth, I think that was a big debate,
whether or not you should see the face ever, and if so how? What the impact would be? Or
lose? I think they wanted to just play it straight up, to keep the Michael Meyers
character as Michael Meyers.
Because I thought they were trying to change him a little by making him reach out
to her, like "Please Help Me"
Oh, absolutely, you had to have that moment there, but I think if you take the mask
off you cross the line and in such a way that you might loose the impact of that
character. I think that everything was tossed around, and I dont think any final
decision was made until towards the end.
You know Im a bit of a stunt man too, Ive done a couple of body burns
for videos and I breathe fire, I do sword swallowing and what not. I was just curious to
know what is the most dangerous thing youve done? I know its always got to be
calculated risks and your not a dare devil.
You know thats always so funny because its such a hard question to
answer, when people ask it, because what I consider a dangerous thing, what someone else
considers crazy, are so vastly different.
What have you done burns in?
Ive done my share of burns, I did a lot of the "Maniac Cop" movies,
huge sequences with fire, explosions on fire, I get blown up on boats and go flying
through the air. I was on fire and went 50 feet through the side of a house, for a movie
called "Uncle Sam", Ive done lots of fires over the years.
Yeah, fire fires is one of my favorite things myself. Have you ever got hurt
No, Ive been very fortunate , you get the usual little scrapes and
bruises and stuff.
What do think about Michael Meyers character that makes him so scary to
.I used to own a trick shop and we sold the hell out of the Michael Meyers
masks, and its basically a plain white mask. But there's something about the mask,
when you put it on, you could really creep people out?
I never thought about it much, I think what makes this guy scary is that he
is human. When you have something fantastic in the sense that it is way out there , weird
mandible things, strange hair, its over the top and everyone kind of goes, o.k.
Yeah, its a mask. Its fantasy, where this kind of hovers on that border
. I think you identify with the fact that this could be a crazy person, and this
could really happen, someone could be nuts. The bogeyman.
You know the other thing that kind of makes that scary, at least in the first one
What was the body count in H2O? Three or four? Its more of a
psychological thriller, its more like an Alfred Hichcock thing.
I think that brings you back into the reality of the whole thing, you can identify
with the possibility of it. When you have a war movie, and your running around and the
good guy is shooting two hundred people, and he never gets winged, your kind of going
"what ever" and it loses the impact. So if I go and slash her throat in
the beginning, and then turn around and stab somebody... like if I killed them in
the bathroom, and then kill somebody in town, it loses its impact. The whole idea is
that its a possible kill, and yes, some people get away.
Its scarier to find a dead body then it is.....
Well, in a sense its scarier to leave that up to everyone elses
imagination, it will lead you all the way there, and then nothing. You have to show enough
kills, like the nurse in the beginning or like when I kill Jodie on the dumb waiter, you
got to see that to a degree so you can kind of go "Wow, this is bad."
And then show how it effects the other person.
Show the after math, you dont need to show what happened because everyone is
perfectly willing to fill that one in on their own.
Do you show up in full Michael Meyers costume for the haunted houses?
No, because its more of a celebrity appearance. I did the thing for the big
time, so I think it would be anti climactic, if you will.
Im just curious, I know your not going to these events as Michael Meyers, but
if you wanted to, could you? or is it something that the studio owns the rights too?
I could certainly dress up or do what ever I want with that, but Im not going
to. Even if they wanted to put a restriction on me, which they havent, the mask is
out there in public domain and theres nothing they could say if I put one on and ran
I heard you've appeared in quite a few movies. I would just like to rattle a couple
off to see what you did in them, like "Armageddon".
I doubled the cosmonaut in the scene where the space station blows up. They are all
scrambling to get off of it, and things are going wrong.
Now, how about "Star Trek Generations?"
One of the classic things that I always wanted to do. When it was crashing on the
planet, I was on the bridge through the whole thing. It was one of those chaotic bits
where everyones going over railings other guys are flipping over . Its one of
those things where they are shaking the camera.
How about Demolition Man?
Demolition Man I did a couple things, Im in a some of the stunt scenes in
that ,but I played a small role. When Wesley Snipes first gets his gun in the museum I was
one of the museum android guards, he came around the corner and says "Can I help you
..." before I finish my line he blows us away.
How about Rapid Fire?
Rapid Fire, I doubled one of the FBI guys that are holding Brandon in the apartment
in Chicago, and then he realizes that were not who we say we are and so we start the
whole battle with him kind of getting out of there just running through the apartment
fighting and getting beat up by him.
And what was it like working with Brandon, was he the driving force in the fight
No, not necessarily. I mean the director had certain things he wanted see; Brandon
had his suggestions, Jeffry Manon who was the coordinator, hes got an extensive
martial arts background as well and Ive done tons and tons of stuff, martial arts
wise, and between us we figured stuff out. It wasnt like with Brandon said,
"this is how I want it."
Yeah, it wouldnt be like I imagine it would be with Bruce Lee. He wasnt
like: "I want this camera angle for this shot ..."
No, the director directed it.
And right along those lines, The Crow?
In the Crow I was part of the large shoot out at the long conference table.
So what do you think about his death and how that happened?
You know you hear different versions of that stuff and when I was there, there was
thirty of us shooting guns, every day, every scene. I mean we had all of us shooting side
by side and we pulled it all off safely. Part of the thing we had to do, well, we had 30
of us and we got to aim off of the side of him.
I don't know if most people realize you need to do that even with blanks.
Yeah, absolutely because you never know when piece of the wadding was coming out of
the blanks would fly out in your eye or something. We had to kind of get our distance down
so he wasnt going to get impacted, and you got to aim off to the side. Plus we all
have to worry about each other and the shell ejection's because were surrounding the table
were side by side shooting. We have to figure it all of that out and we did it and we shot
2 or 3 days firing the weapons to cover all of that and to pull it all off without a
hitch. I dont know what changed after I went home. It happened after the week I was
Wow thats intense.
We tested everything out ahead of time, and went through every persons problems
around the table and adjusted everybody. Then every time you do the scene, everyone holds
their guns down and they have five guys coming around and collect them all and reload and
bring them back to you and go hot with the whole thing. I mean by the numbers ...
Theres no reason to have real bullets there, I mean...
No there should never be real bullets around, you know if anyones got real
bullets around, theyve got them in their car from something else theyre doing
I dont know it just makes me want to cry when I think about it.
Absolutely, it was a horrible thing. I dont know exactly...you hear different
stories about exactly what happened.
Are you a method actor? Or are you more deliberate, I mean do you get caught up in
No, I think Im much more deliberate than that. There's some technical
considerations as you go, as when I jump the two kids in the woods. When I drop down and
grab her by the hair, I have really limited vision, I had tricky footing to drop in,
tricky timing, I had to make a U turn to land where I was suppose too land.
So it didnt effect you playing a maniac killer, its more like a part of
a game, you take the clothes off and you go home and it was fun.
Im absolutely able to separate my work self from my work. What Ive
learned over the years is how to focus in for what Im trying to achieve in that
moment and then you do it and you walk away. This was definitely an acting part that had
stunts that I was involved in, it wasnt just a stunt thing. People fixate on the
fact that, "Oh youre a stunt man." And they forget that this was an acting
job. People tend to fixate on these things and even if they do they dont realize
whats involved half the time. They have no idea. I know stunt guys who can out-act
actors and technically have every little bit of knowledge down, we can hit marks and
timing weve done it a thousand times ..
Whether its a stunt or not ...
Exactly. We always do play parts too and sometimes the concentration that it takes
to do both, to stay in character and do something is alot more than what the actors have
to do. I know so many actors love to go around and say "Hey, I do my own stunts"
and in this particular case I was the actor and I did them, because I was qualified to do
them. That was nice for a change. When you are playing parts and you are doing stuff you
make yourself look good as a professional, but, in a sense if you are doubling somebody,
you are making them look good. It was nice to make me look good.
Even though you are wearing a mask.
Right, but selling out and making me look good, instead of selling out and making
someone else look good is a nice swap.
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